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‘MR. OCEAN LINER” – Bill Miller

Cruising The Past salutes: ‘MR. OCEAN LINER” – Author and lecturer – William “Bill” Miller


Preview of new documentary on Bill Miller.


Bill Miller interviewed on NBC News in connection with the recent New York Normandie exhibit.

Bill Miller is probably the major living authority on the subject of ocean liners & cruise ships.

Miller has written some 60 books on maritime history and the “Golden Age” of ocean liners and the modern cruise industry: In all, he has written over 1,000 articles for newspapers, magazines, journals and maritime newsletters, and publishes his own quarterly, the Millergram. He has made 275 or so voyages to date: crossings, cruises, coastal runs and even trips on container cargo ships and tropic banana boats. He has appeared in over two dozen video and television series including Castles of the Sea, The Floating Palaces, The Superliners, Inside the World of a Cruise Ship, Sea Disasters and Deco: Age of Glamour. He has been guest lecturer aboard 50 different liners, sailing with likes of Celebrity, Azamara, Carnival, Cunard, Crystal, Holland America, Princess and Radisson-Seven Seas cruise lines.

A native of Hoboken, New Jersey, the once busy port just across the Hudson from new York City, Miller was named the outstanding American maritime scholar in 1994. He was chairman of the Port of New York Branch of the World Ship Society, served on the selection committee for the American Maritime Hall of Fame, Created the passenger ship database for the Ellis Island Museum and currently serves as adjunct curator for ocean liner studies at New York City’s South Street Seaport Museum. He organized a 14-week college course on ocean liners, helped create the US Merchant Marine Museum and has written commissioning books for three new cruise ships. His private collection includes 3,000 books on ships, over 12,000 photos and some 750 miniature ocean liner models.

He spends a good deal of time at sea lecturing on all facets of maritime history and the great liner. Join him on a cruise by checking out his website – click here.

Here are a few of Bill Miller’s great books on liners of the past. Including his most recent and upcoming editions.

SS FRANCE – SS NORWAY. Completed in the early 1960s, the France was the last of the great French Line passenger ships on the celebrated run to and from New York. She was not only the national flagship, but the longest liner yet built, and a ship with fantastic interiors, superb service, and the most exquisite food. Highly successful, she did lose out in the end to the unsurpassable speed of jet aircraft, was laid-up, and lingered for five years before becoming a hugely successful cruise ship. In 1979–80, the indoor France was converted to the outdoor Norway.

She became the largest cruise ship in the world, an innovator, a great prelude to today’s mega-liners. She endured until 2005 and has since ended her days at the hands of scrappers in far-off India. Indeed, she was one of the greatest, grandest, most beloved of all 20th-century ocean liners.

THE LAST ATLANTIC LINERS. Profusely illustrated with color and black and white illustrations. Author’s last book was Book of the Month with Ships Monthly.The Author’s 80th book.The decade from 1950 to 1960 was the Golden Age of ocean liner travel. Airliners had yet to make an impact on the transatlantic run, the ships were as glamorous as they had ever been, they were faster than they had ever been – but it was all to end rather abruptly with the advent of the Boeing 707 and the eight hour transatlantic crossing by air. From 1960 onwards, ocean liner travel was in serious decline, a downward spiral that would only have one outcome – the death of sea travel on the Atlantic.

William H. Miller tells the story in words and pictures of this decline and how it affected the liner companies. While we all think of Cunard and the French Line as the main companies on the Atlantic, ships of Holland America, United States Lines, Norwegian American Line, Swedish Amerika Line, as well as the Italian Line and Hamburg Amerika.

SS NIEUW AMSTERDAM – THE DARLING OF THE DUTCH. Entering service in 1938, the Nieuw Amsterdam was the Holland America Line flagship until the construction of the Rotterdam in the late 1950s. Her pre-war life was short and she was used as a troopship during the Second World War, carrying many thousands of Allied troops to all corners of the world. Of 36,000 tons, she was the largest vessel built in Rotterdam and was launched by Queen Wilhelmina in April 1937.

A perennial favorite of the Dutch and their finest Ship of State, Nieuw Amsterdam remained in Holland America Line service until 1974, the last ship to retain the Holland America Line’s familiar green, yellow and white funnels. Despite boiler problems in 1967, she was refitted with US Navy-surplus boilers and sailed on, cruising, until withdrawn from service in 1974. Sailing to the breakers, the Art Deco ‘Darling of the Dutch’, as she was affectionately known, was broken up.

All books can be ordered from Amazon. Click here for full information.

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‘MR. OCEAN LINER” – Bill Miller

Cruising The Past salutes: ‘MR. OCEAN LINER” – Author and lecturer – William “Bill” Miller


Preview of new documentary on Bill Miller.


Bill Miller interviewed on NBC News in connection with the recent New York Normandie exhibit.

Bill Miller is probably the major living authority on the subject of ocean liners & cruise ships.

Miller has written some 60 books on maritime history and the “Golden Age” of ocean liners and the modern cruise industry: In all, he has written over 1,000 articles for newspapers, magazines, journals and maritime newsletters, and publishes his own quarterly, the Millergram. He has made 275 or so voyages to date: crossings, cruises, coastal runs and even trips on container cargo ships and tropic banana boats. He has appeared in over two dozen video and television series including Castles of the Sea, The Floating Palaces, The Superliners, Inside the World of a Cruise Ship, Sea Disasters and Deco: Age of Glamour. He has been guest lecturer aboard 50 different liners, sailing with likes of Celebrity, Azamara, Carnival, Cunard, Crystal, Holland America, Princess and Radisson-Seven Seas cruise lines.

A native of Hoboken, New Jersey, the once busy port just across the Hudson from new York City, Miller was named the outstanding American maritime scholar in 1994. He was chairman of the Port of New York Branch of the World Ship Society, served on the selection committee for the American Maritime Hall of Fame, Created the passenger ship database for the Ellis Island Museum and currently serves as adjunct curator for ocean liner studies at New York City’s South Street Seaport Museum. He organized a 14-week college course on ocean liners, helped create the US Merchant Marine Museum and has written commissioning books for three new cruise ships. His private collection includes 3,000 books on ships, over 12,000 photos and some 750 miniature ocean liner models.

He spends a good deal of time at sea lecturing on all facets of maritime history and the great liner.   Join him on a cruise by checking out his website – click here.

Here are a few of Bill Miller’s great books on liners of the past. Including his most recent and upcoming editions.

SS FRANCE – SS NORWAY.  Completed in the early 1960s, the France was the last of the great French Line passenger ships on the celebrated run to and from New York. She was not only the national flagship, but the longest liner yet built, and a ship with fantastic interiors, superb service, and the most exquisite food. Highly successful, she did lose out in the end to the unsurpassable speed of jet aircraft, was laid-up, and lingered for five years before becoming a hugely successful cruise ship. In 1979–80, the indoor France was converted to the outdoor Norway.

She became the largest cruise ship in the world, an innovator, a great prelude to today’s mega-liners. She endured until 2005 and has since ended her days at the hands of scrappers in far-off India. Indeed, she was one of the greatest, grandest, most beloved of all 20th-century ocean liners.

THE LAST ATLANTIC LINERS.  Profusely illustrated with color and black and white illustrations. Author’s last book was Book of the Month with Ships Monthly.The Author’s 80th book.The decade from 1950 to 1960 was the Golden Age of ocean liner travel. Airliners had yet to make an impact on the transatlantic run, the ships were as glamorous as they had ever been, they were faster than they had ever been – but it was all to end rather abruptly with the advent of the Boeing 707 and the eight hour transatlantic crossing by air. From 1960 onwards, ocean liner travel was in serious decline, a downward spiral that would only have one outcome – the death of sea travel on the Atlantic.

William H. Miller tells the story in words and pictures of this decline and how it affected the liner companies. While we all think of Cunard and the French Line as the main companies on the Atlantic, ships of Holland America, United States Lines, Norwegian American Line, Swedish Amerika Line, as well as the Italian Line and Hamburg Amerika.

SS NIEUW AMSTERDAM – THE DARLING OF THE DUTCH.  Entering service in 1938, the Nieuw Amsterdam was the Holland America Line flagship until the construction of the Rotterdam in the late 1950s. Her pre-war life was short and she was used as a troopship during the Second World War, carrying many thousands of Allied troops to all corners of the world. Of 36,000 tons, she was the largest vessel built in Rotterdam and was launched by Queen Wilhelmina in April 1937.

A perennial favorite of the Dutch and their finest Ship of State, Nieuw Amsterdam remained in Holland America Line service until 1974, the last ship to retain the Holland America Line’s familiar green, yellow and white funnels. Despite boiler problems in 1967, she was refitted with US Navy-surplus boilers and sailed on, cruising, until withdrawn from service in 1974. Sailing to the breakers, the Art Deco ‘Darling of the Dutch’, as she was affectionately known, was broken up.

All books can be ordered from Amazon. Click here for full information.

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RMS CARONIA – Cunard Line’s famed cruise ship during the 1950s. Promotional film on the ship’s annual Mediterranean Cruise.

Dining aboard the RMS Caronia from a 1950s World Cruise brochure.

RMS CARONIA docked in Manhattan with the French Line’s Ile de France sailing out of New York Harbor for Europe in the background.

RMS CARONIA – Cunard Line’s famed cruise ship during the 1950s. Promotional film on the ship’s annual Mediterranean Cruise.

A Cunard Line advertising film, the cruise of the ship RMS Coronia thru the Mediterranean with stops and side trips to many of the major cities with quick shots of interesting sights and maps showing route as the tour progresses. Great shots of the world famous cruise liner, passengers and the tour.

“The Green Goddess” sailing out of New York.

The cruise starts along the African coast at Madeira to Tangiers, Malta, Cairo, pyramids, Luxor and into Israel, Istanbul, Yalta, Athens ruins, Dubrovnik, Venice, Vienna, Florence, Rome, Sicily, Naples, Pompeii and Herculanium ruins, French and Spanish Riviera, Portugal, Gibraltar and other scenic stops.

Deck Games. Participants were middle-aged – which means that the cruisers weren’t all retired.

Various, appointments, activities, dining and Cunard Lines advertising their cruise opulent services. Footage from this subject is available for licensing from www.globalimageworks.com

The brand new RMS Caronia made her maiden voyage on 4 January 1949 between Southampton and New York. Two more transatlantic crossings followed before the ship embarked on her first cruises from New York to the Caribbean.

Meeting the Captain aboard the Caronia – pre-Love Boat – cruisers were mostly older and retired wealthy or rich Americans.  Many of the same passengers would make the World Cruise annually.

During her first years she spent most the year doing transatlantic crossings, only during the winter months she was engaged in cruising. In 1951 she made her first world cruise. From 1952 onwards she only made transatlantic crossings in August and September, with the rest of the year dedicated to cruising. In May 1953 the Caronia made perhaps her most famous cruise, associated with the coronation ceremony of Queen Elizabeth II (who had christened the Caronia six years earlier).

Great cutaway of the RMS CARONIA – large version by touching photo with cursur (the pointer).

The ship was used as a hotel as most of the accommodations in the UK were fully booked.

She was nicknamed the “Green Goddess” by the people of Liverpool because her livery resembled that of the local trams, also known as “Green Goddesses”.

She is credited as one of the first “dual-purpose” built ships.

After leaving Cunard she briefly served as SS Caribia in 1969, after which she was laid up in New York until 1974 when she was sold for scrap.

While being towed to Taiwan for scrapping, she was caught in a storm on 12 August.

After her tow lines were cut, she repeatedly crashed on the rocky breakwater outside Apra Harbor, Guam subsequently breaking into three.

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Retro cruising on the “SS BERMUDA STAR” aboard the second all gay cruises – the ship was a.k.a. “SS Brenda Starr”

One of the first all gay cruises – Cruising on the SS BERMUDA STAR in 1987 aboard the second all gay cruises operated by RSVP.  It is a retro look at gay life.  Operated by gay pioneer RSVP the passengers dubbed the ship Bermuda Star Cruise Line ship the SS BRENDA STARR.

In BUT THE SHOW WENT ON, (the prequel to his best-selling memoir, POSTCARDS FROM PALM SPRINGS) author Robert Julian recounts sailing aboard the S.S. Bermuda Star from New Orleans in 1987 – over twenty years ago.  This was the second all gay cruise.  RSVP founder, Kevin J. Mossier, had a bold, new idea – to provide a safe, tailor-made vacation environment for gay men and lesbians.  Unable, at the time, to find a resort that would open its doors to the concept, he found an understanding company known as the Bermuda Star Line and the gay cruise was born.

The RSVP second all gay cruise – “A Cruise To Remember” – sailed out of New Orleans, February 15, 1987 with 750 guests ready to create and enjoy the overwhelming experience that only can happen on an all gay vacation. Bermuda Star Line was open to the gay cruise idea and chartered the Bermuda Star to RSVP.

Other major companies, such as Princess Cruises, Carnival Cruises, etc., were very reluctant to do a gay cruise and charter to RSVP or any other gay travel organization for a long time.  Of course, in the end, money talks and all the major cruise companies clamored for gay and lesbian business.

(left) The SS Bermuda Star was originally the Moore-McCormick liner SS Argentina.  This is a photo of the children/teenage dining room in the 1950s on a voyage from New York to Buenos Aires.  Wonder if any of them eventually ended up on an RSVP Cruise?

Julian writes about his experience in the mid-1980s aboard the S.S. Bermuda Star in his new book – BUT THE SHOW WENT ON – which you can order by clicking here. This is not your standard “Cruise Critic” travel piece.

Cruising on the SS Brenda Starr by Robert Julian

From the San Francisco Sentinel
(1987) RSVP’s second all gay cruise aboard the SS Bermuda Star!

The RSVP travel brochure promises “a cruise to remember,” a minimal expectation under the circumstances. Any time you put 750 gay men on a boat, chances are they’ll walk way with a few memorable moments. What follows is a week in my life aboard the SS Bermuda Star. For reasons that will soon become apparent, I have changed some names. This is not a travelogue.

Arrival
The relentless late afternoon sun pushes unseasonably warm and humid temperatures even higher. My roommate David and I check into our hotel in the French Quarter and immediately hit the streets. It our first visit to New Orleans and we sail tomorrow morning, so we want to take in as much as possible. The Quarter is a tired party girl, decked out in centuries old finery, decaying round the edges. Ornate balconies lean over cobblestone streets exposing themselves for the benefit of tourists. Secluded courtyards, hiding at the end of corridors, hold a vague promise of mystery and intrigue that is orchestrated by the lingering sound of jazz floating from the clubs along Bourbon Street. Drinking beer from paper cups, tourists wander aimlessly, peering down alleys and beyond wrought iron gates for a glimpse of a Stanley Kowalski or ersatz Blanche Dubois. It is all too Tennessee Williams.
We stop by The Mint for happy hour and I run into an old friend and future shipmate who now lives in Washington D.C. Before we know it, a group of about 10 people has assembled, carrying on like Jewish mothers at a bar mitzvah. One of them works for All American Boy in New Orleans, and although he is not going on the cruise, he extends his own brand of Southern hospitality by inviting me to a private J.O. party the Monday after the ship returns. Do you think this is what Blanche meant by “the kindness of strangers”?
We all decide to attend a masked party at Jewels after dinner and, several hours later, David and I find ourselves pushing our way through another crowded bar. Forget Williams, this is beginning to feel like Fellini. Since I usually spend about three hours a month in bars at home, I’m beginning to lose all touch with normal reality. This feeling is heightened by being surrounded by dozens of men wearing bizarre feathered masks.
Back by the pool table I run into more shipmates. Jack, an old friend from San Francisco, and his new lover, Richard, are standing with a mad Cuban queen named Ramon, while another friend, Bill, leans against the cigarette machine. David pulls me aside and, with his uncanny knack of tuning-in on my wavelength, gives me some history on Bill.

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The Paddle Steamer Emeraude – Colonial Indochina and Today’s Vietman

Cruising The Past: In 1910 a paddle steamer called the Emeraude was offering unforgettable cruises in Halong Bay for visitors to what was then French Indochina. The Emeraude was part of a flotilla owned by the Roque family who had left Bordeaux in 1858 in search of adventure and fortune.

Over a period of more than 50 years they found both. After several ups and downs including successful trading and timber businesses, near bankruptcy and being taken hostage by pirates, the Roque brothers built Emeraude, Perle, Saphir, Rubis and Onyx to ferry passengers and freight along the waterways of Indochina and cruise on magnificent Halong Bay.

Today the Emeraude offers a regular cruise service on board a luxurious replica steamer with 38 cabins meticulously designed to evoke the nostalgic charm of colonial Indochina.

Visit the Emeraude website for more information and reservations.

Background and History:

In 1999, the chance discovery the postcard of a paddle steamer Emeraude cruising in Ha Long Bay inspired a search for it origins in the vaults of the French Colonial Archives in Aix-en-Provence. From historical documents unearthed there, it was discovered that the Emeraude was part of a fleet of ships operated by the Roque family, transporting freight along the waterways of French Indochina and offering cruises in Ha Long Bay.

Letters were sent to all 1,200 people with the family name of Roque listed in France and eventually the descendants of the family of ship-owners were found. The Roque family in question kindly made the family archives available. As a result, the project to rebuild the Emeraude began in a Hai Phong shipyard in 2002.

The story of the Emeraude goes back to 1858 and three brothers, Victor, Xavier and Henry Roque, who lived in a small village in South-West France. Driven by their entrepreneurial spirit and dreams of adventure, the brothers headed to the Far East in search of their fortunes.

Arriving in Manila and then moving onto Hong Kong, the brothers were soon in business supplying fresh food and provisions of all kinds to the French Army. In 1860, following the taking of Sai Gon by the troops of Admiral Rigault de Genouilly the previous year, the Roque brothers left Hong Kong to set up business in the newly colonized city.

Their business prospered and in addition to providing supplies of flour, bread, biscuits and fresh meat for the army they also now supplied timber for construction, towing services, manufactured sugar, undertook public construction work and traded in opium.

In 1872, the Roque brothers, financed by the British trading house of Jardine & Matheson, signed a contract with the French colonial administration to establish the Cochinchine Steam Lines. In exchange for an annual fee, the company provided transportation services for passengers, freight and mail between Cochinchine and neighbouring Cambodia.

In 1890 Victor Roque obtained a coal concession in Dong Trieu in northern Tonkin. Success breeds envy and two of the Roque brothers were kidnapped, along with others in their employ, by bandits led by the notorious Luu Ky. To pay the ransom, the Roque family was forced to sell off family assets, leaving the company weakened. Victor Roque, then 61 years-old, bankrupt and in ill-health, returned to France.

Following the departure of Victor, Henry assumed sole responsibility for the Roque family business but was soon joined by Paul Roque, son of Xavier, in Hai Phong. It was here that they had the idea to build a small fleet of ships to transport freight and offer pleasure cruises on Ha Long Bay. The construction of the four flat-bottomed paddle-steamers, to be named EMERAUDE, RUBIS, PERLE and SAPHIR, was carried out in Hong Kong. Each ship could be easily distinguished by the coloured band around the top of its funnel: green for EMERAUDE, red for RUBIS, white for PERLE and blue for SAPHIR.

By 1919 the business became a limited company known as the Société Anonyme de Chalandage et Remorquage d’Indochine, or SACRIC for short. Paul Roque returned to France in 1921 and was appointed a Vice-President for life. One of the future Presidents of the company was to be Edmond Giscard d’ Estaing, father of Valéry, who was elected President of France in 1974.

In 1937, the Emeraude sank en-route from Hai Phong to Mong Cai without loss of life With the French withdrawal from Tonkin in 1953, the Société Anonyme de Chalandage et Remorquage d’Indochine was no more. Paul Roque died in 1966.

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Cruising The Past begins second year looking at cruise history.

Our cruise history website begins its second year as a growing encyclopedic source of cruise, steamship and liner information. Cruising The Past also deals with the history of famous trains and hotels. This popular cruise history chronicle of travel has grown during the past twelve months.  Cruising The Past now continues to have a growing number of regular visitors.

Since February 2008, our website has presented a wide selection of maritime material concerned with steamship travel and cruising from the 1930s through the 1960s.  The appeal is international in scope.  Nearly every country in the world has had internet users visiting the site.

Michael L. Grace, one of the creators of the musical Snoopy based on Charles M. Shultz “Peanuts” and a seasoned historian of cruise ship travel, is the editor of the website: cruisingthepast.com.

Grace wrote for the hit TV series “Love Boat” during the 1980s – mainly for the two hour specials featuring the ship visiting many part of the world.

The highly successful TV show was responsible for today’s burgeoning cruise industry.

It influenced many TV viewers who made their first cruise because of the TV series.

Grace has traveled on over 50 cruise ships and has circled the globe three times.

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Sailing in 1956 aboard Cunard Line’s Mauretania to Cuba.

Cruise History: Sailing aboard Cunard Line’s Mauretania to Cuba on a 10-Day Cruise. How soon before U.S. Citizens can cruise to Havana? It has been a long time. Americans were cruising aboard Cunard, French Line and Holland-America up until the late 50s. The next best thing for the moment may be this “video” youTUBE voyage aboard Cunard Line’s SS Mauretania in 1956. Courtesy of the www.shipgeek.com

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Cruise History: Cunard Line’s RMS CARONIA. With Caviar the norm – known as the “Green Goddess” – she was the most deluxe ship ever built for cruising.

A Cunard Line advertising film, the cruise of the ship Coronia thru the Mediterranean with stops and side trips to many of the major cities with quick shots of interesting sights and maps showing route as the tour progresses.

The Caronia arriving in Long Beach, California, on her 1955 World Cruise.

RMS Caronia was a 34,183 gross register tons (GRT) passenger ship of the Cunard Line (then Cunard White Star Line). Launched on 30 October 1947, she served with Cunard until 1967. She was nicknamed the “Green Goddess” by the people of Liverpool because her livery resembled that of the local trams, also known as “Green Goddesses”.

She is credited as one of the first “dual-purpose” built ships. After leaving Cunard she briefly served as SS Caribia in 1969, after which she was laid up in New York until 1974 when she was sold for scrap. While being towed to Taiwan for scrapping, she was caught in a storm on 12 August. After her tow lines were cut, she repeatedly crashed on the rocky breakwater outside Apra Harbor, Guam subsequently breaking into three.

RMS CARONIA TIMELINE website. This truly is a lovingly created site and one of the best sources of maritime history devoted to a single ship online. If you are someone who has ever admired, or even sailed on, Cunard’s beautiful “Green Goddess” – the RMS Caronia, then this wonderful website is for you.  It provides details and forums on this great ship.  Please visit by clicking here.

“The Green Goddess”

At 715 feet in length, “R.M.S. Caronia”– a name long popular in Cunard’s history– was the first and largest ship built in the post-war period with the exclusive purpose of “cruising”.

Her maiden voyage was in 1949 and her profile was distinguished by her clipper-like bow, single mast and impresive funnel as well as her cruiser stern and absence of rigging.

Caronia’s sleek design and air-condiitoning, offered supreme comfort; and as a result she was referred to as the “Millionaire’s ship”.

Rather than the traditional black and white livery of CUNARD, Caronia was painted in a pale green livery of varying shades, earning her the nickname of the “Green Goddess”.

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Cruise History – 1928 – HOME MOVIE OF COAST-WISE TRIP FROM FLORIDA TO SAVANNAH aboard the Merchants and Miners Trans Co SS NANTUCKET – Courtesy of www.shipgeek.com

Here’s a charming black and white home movie shot aboard the SS Nantucket as she sailed from Florida to Savannah, Georgia in 1928.


This is a wonderful 1928 – HOME MOVIE OF COAST-WISE TRIP FROM FLORIDA TO SAVANNAH aboard the Merchants and Miners Trans Co SS NANTUCKET courtesy of www.shipgeek.com on youTUBE. Lots of deck scenes with film of passengers entertainment along with hilarious sequence on steward helping woman who has sea-sickness.
The background music is “Yes, we have no bananas.”


The SS NANTUCKET (formerly the FARGO) was part of the Merchants & Miners Transportation Company fleet. Merchant & Minder was founded in Baltimore in 1852 to operate a cargo and passenger steamship line between Baltimore and Boston, Mass. Their service continued to Norfolk, Savannah and Jacksonville.

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Vacation By Sea – Year Round – Merchants and Miners Transportation Company – 1923

A new route between Baltimore, via Savanah and Jacksonville commenced in 1909 and in 1920 a service was initiated to Havana, Cuba, but this was discontinued after about a year.

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Postal Card featuring the Merchants and Miners ships.

A service to Nassau, Bahamas started in 1939, but on the entry of the United Stated into World War II in 1941, most of the company’s ships were requisitioned for war duty. Limited services continued, but after the war, it was not considered financially viable to re-purchase ships which had been sold to the Government or to build new ships and in 1948 it was decided to cease trading. The company was officially liquidated in 1952.

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Cruise Ship History – A new TITANIC Controversy about the “unsinkable” ship – Did passive good manners kill “polite” British passengers while “pushy” Americans survived aboard the doomed (Cunard) White Star Liner?

A new TITANIC controversy.  Did passive good manners kill “polite” British passengers while “pushy” Americans, who don’t know from standing in lines (or queues), survive aboard the doomed (Cunard) White Star Liner RMS TITANIC?

You can judge for your self.  A new Titanic controversy is a brewing.  Here are two current news articles on the subject.

But first, for those who don’t know about the Titianic, here’s some background.

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The “unsinkable” TITANIC…

The RMS Titanic was an Olympic-class passenger liner owned by the White Star Line and built at the Harland and Wolff shipyard in Belfast, Ireland, United Kingdom. For her time, she was the largest passenger steamship in the world.
On the night of 14 April 1912, during her maiden voyage, Titanic hit an iceberg and sank two hours and forty minutes later, early on 15 April 1912.  The Titanic used some of the most advanced technology available at the time and was, after the sinking, popularly believed to have been described as “unsinkable”. It was a great shock to many that, despite the extensive safety features and experienced crew, the Titanic sank. The frenzy on the part of the media about Titanic’s famous victims, the legends about the sinking, the resulting changes to maritime law, and the discovery of the wreck have contributed to the interest in and fame of the Titanic that continues to this day.

There have been many films on the Titanic — including movies and tv movies.  We all know that James Cameron’s American made TITANIC was a “fantasy” and ludicrous version of the fatal voyage while while the British made A NIGHT TO REMEMBER was a far more accurate depiction.  In the latter version the British passengers did act like they were attending some “tea party” as the ship sank.  Another version with Barbara Stanwick had all the doomed passengers standing at attention, sinking “Nearer My God To Thee” while the ship sank.

Story 1 – The British View – How good manners cost Britons their lives on doomed Titanic

By Fiona Macrae – Daily Mail
Last updated at 1:28 AM on 21st January 2009

Britons have always prided themselves on having better manners than their American cousins  -  though of course they are too polite to mention it.

But it seems such civilised behaviour can prove fatal in life-and-death situations.

Researchers have found that when the Titanic sank Britons were much more likely to die than Americans and they think our manners could be to blame.

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A painting of the sinking Titanic. Research suggests Britons were more likely to die than Americans because they stood in long queues waiting to board lifeboats…

With the British queuing for a place in one of only 20 lifeboats provided for the 2,223 on board, they were less likely than any other nationality to survive, analysis of passenger data revealed.

Americans, however, seem to have been happier to push their way to safety after the liner hit an iceberg while on her maiden voyage on April 14, 1912.

Researcher Bruno Frey, of the University of Zurich, said: ‘The Americans at that time were not very cultured, while the English were still gentlemen.’

He added: ‘The British were much more aware of the social norms at the time. They would have been more likely to stand in a queue and wait their turn for boarding the lifeboats than Americans.’

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The Titanic begins to sink after striking an iceberg in this scene from the 1980 film ‘Raise the Titanic’…

He also suggested that as most U.S. citizens lived further from the sea, they were less familiar with maritime protocol than Britons, such as the women-andchildrenfirst rule.

The Swiss and Australian researchers spent more than a year sifting through data on the Titanic’s passengers and crew to find out which factors influenced the odds of survival.

They found that while the British made up 53 per cent of those on board, proportionately fewer of them than expected were among the 706 survivors.

The Americans, who made up a fifth of those on board, were 15 per cent more likely to survive than the British. The Irish and the Swedes also fared better.
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The great ship’s lifeboats are loaded up with desperate passengers. New research suggest many Britons died because they would not force themselves to the front of the queue…

These findings held true even when cabin class and age were taken into account.

Professor Frey said: ‘We expected that the English passengers would have been more able to survive, because the ship was British built, the company was British and the crew was British.

‘We thought that if the passengers had close relationships with the crew, that would be very important in getting to the lifeboats.

‘But it turned out the English had around an 11 per cent lower chance of being saved compared with all the other nationalities.’ The professor added that, contrary to his expectations, people remember their manners even in times of crisis.

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Titanic on her ill-fated maiden voyage: The sinking resulted in 1,517 deaths

He said: ‘We really thought we’d be able to show that when it’s a matter of life and death, the cultural norms disappear and the survival of the fittest comes into play.’

Fellow researcher David Savage, of the Queensland University of Technology in Australia, said: ‘Overall, the results indicate a strong support that social norms and altruism do matter.’

The study also revealed, unsurprisingly, that women and children had a greater chance of survival.

Women were up to 54 per cent more likely to have escaped the tragedy than men, and those aged under 15 were 32 per cent more likely to have lived than the over-50s.

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A Titanic lifeboat, just before the passengers were taken off by rescuers…

First- class passengers, whose berths were close to the lifeboat deck, were up to 45 per cent less likely to have perished than those in third class.

The researchers said: ‘Preferential treatment, a higher level of power, better access to information about imminent danger, persons of power and decision makers such as leading crew members may have led to a higher probability of being able to get better access to lifeboats.

‘Similarly, it seems that crew members used their information advantage and better access to resources, such as lifeboats, to generate a higher probability of surviving.’

Michael McCaughan, author of The Birth of the Titanic, said: ‘There might be an element of truth in the idea of the British standing aside and saying “after you”.
There certainly would have been a sense of panic but the prevailing ethos would have been women and children first.’

Story 2 – The USA view – American Researchers Dispute Claims of ‘Polite’ Titanic Victims

Thursday , January 22, 2009

By Tom Durante

ej_smith.jpgAmerican researchers are firing back at a Swiss university researcher’s report that “politeness” led to the deaths of 225 British passengers aboard the Titanic.

Professor Bruno Frey of the University of Zurich claims that the British passengers on the doomed cruise liner perished in the 1912 disaster because they were polite and willing to stand in line while American passengers pushed their way to the front and were placed in lifeboats.

passengers-on-the-titanic.jpgWhile “women and children first” was followed as the “unsinkable” cruise ship hit an iceberg and fell to the floor of the Atlantic, Frey claims that many Britons lost their lives because they were courteous, while “uncultured” Americans were more likely to push ahead in line.

“The British were much more aware of the social norms at the time,” Frey told the U.K.’s Daily Mail newspaper. “They would have been more likely to stand in a queue and wait their turn for boarding the lifeboats than Americans.”

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The Titanic sails for the first and last time…

But American researchers say Frey’s claim is an example of Brits putting themselves on a pedestal.

“It sounds like post-modern revisionist history,” said Karen Kamuda of the Massachusetts-based Titanic Historical Society. “To say that Americans act a certain way and the British act a certain way is racist.”

Ithaca College social sciences librarian John R. Henderson, who compiled a comprehensive report on the Titanic, suggests that the percentage of casualties on the ship was based more on social status than race. The ship had been divided into three classes based on wealth.

The third class, which was most affordable, had the greatest concentration of immigrants. Only 25 percent of the passengers in the third class made it out alive, according to Henderson’s research. This was possibly due to the fact that there was no public address system in place on the Titanic. The third class also had less access to lifeboats.

“The first class lifeboats were gone by the time the third class was even told [that the ship was going down],” Henderson said.

The Titanic was making its maiden voyage from Southampton, England, to New York Harbor with 2,014 people aboard in April 1912 when it hit an iceberg in the northern Atlantic. The death toll from the disaster, one of the worst in maritime history, was 1,509 people. Seventy-two percent of its women passengers and 50 percent of the children on board reportedly survived.

Click here for Henderson’s research.

This is a lighter side to this never ending story.  The fake trailer on Youtube is for the sequel to  Cameron’s fantasy movie Titanic.  It looks real and gives new meaning to the endless possibilities for future of the “unsinkable” ship as mass entertainment.  Hollywood today, means history be damned.

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